Last month, the House of Commons’ select committee held a series of public hearings on January 6 on President Donald Trump’s efforts to overthrow the 2020 election. Yesterday it surprised us all with some of its most astonishing evidence yet.
In revelatory testimony, Cassidy Hutchinson, who was a top aide to Trump’s White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, revealed details of exactly how much Trump and some of his supporters knew about the potential for violence at the Capitol before Jan. 6. Hutchinson, Trump knew the crowd was heavily armed, but that did not stop him from tempting his supporters to march to the Capitol anyway. “They are not here to hurt me,” she heard him say.
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Host Jane Coaston is accompanied by The Times columnist Bret Stephens and editor Michelle Cottle to unpack the new evidence and what it could mean for Trump – and the future of the GOP
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